It's said there's nothing worse than the death of your child, and this film drives that point home harder and with the utmost care and precision." Bagby came from Sunnyvale, California, and was the son of Kathleen Daphne Bagby ( ne Barnard), a registered nurse and midwife from Chatham, England, United Kingdom; and David Franklin Bagby, an American former United States Navy serviceman and computer engineer. David R. Bagby Born: July 2, 1957 in Joliet, IL Died: January 5, 2022 in Statesville, NC David R. Bagby, 64 of Statesville, NC and formerly of Streator passed away Wednesday (January 5,. (Talking in group) This is not about money. A 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition Blu-Ray and DVD with special artwork and packaging is available only from Oscilloscope Laboratories at the link below. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. The bill, if passed into law later this year, would justify detention in custody for those accused of a serious crime who are a potential danger to their own children under the age of 18. Mr. and Mrs. David Bagby will be notified of the award, and may request background information on the recipient to facilitate any contact between the recipient and the Bagbys. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. 'Dear Zachary' Is A Greek Tragedy Come To Life | Defector Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. Murders of Andrew Bagby and Zachary Turner - Wikipedia kind of panic sets in, I guess. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. Because this is where you need it. RELATED:California filmmaker remasters documentary on the lives and murders of Andrew Bagby and Zachary Turner. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. Published by Statesville Record & Landmark on. Our 100 journalists strive to inform and improve our East Coast communities by delivering impartial, high-impact, local journalism that provokes thought and action. -, "You don't just view what's happening on the screen -- you live it through every gasp and every tear, and every bit of exasperated anger(resulting) in one powerful standing ovation, the likes of which I have never seen at Hot Docs beforeDear Zachary will move you. David Bagby will be signing copies of Dance with the Devil on Sunday, January 20th, from 3-4 P.M. at Dolly's Bookstore, 510 Main Street, Park City, Utah. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. Cpl. An unusually personal and powerful story of a murder, it may offer something of a counterweight to the forces of bias and prurience that often pull the genre off-track. Turner, the daughter of a U.S. serviceman and a woman from St. Anthony, met Andrew while they were attending medical school at Memorial University in St. Johns. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. We send a huge thanks to MP Scott Andrews, his assistant Ken Carter, MP Peter Stoffer, Senator Tommy Banks, his assistant Thrse Gauthier, Gord McIntosh and all those in Parliament who have seen across party lines and supported this bill to honor Andrew & Zachary and help prevent a recurrence of our story. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. It left me looking for the impossibility of marking the film above the highest grade available on the festival's voting ballot. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. Did anyone have more friends than he? Oh, my. Both screenings were sold out and received sustained standing ovations, an exceptionally rare event in the 14 year history of Slamdance. When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.' MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? By refusing to become the thing they hate, they provide a profound lesson on the power of love and the courage to survive the unthinkable." See details above! The Bagbys prove it is possible for a woman to kill your child and for you to forge a civil relationship with that woman in order to protect another. Such choices make for a disorienting viewing experience, especially if youre accustomed to the conventions of slicker documentaries. May 16, 2008: Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. iTunes | Amazon Prime Video | Google Play, DEAR ZACHARY ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE SCORE ALBUM NOW AVAILABLE. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. Oh my god. The New Yorker may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. "One of the best documentaries I have ever seen in my entire life a film that will rock you to your core. And I know, you love me, and--yeah. It was like Andrew died and then was reborn for a second chance. In the course of the next two yearsas Turners extradition process dragged on, as Bagbys parents moved from California to Newfoundland to fight for custody of the baby, and as the case eventually took an even more terrible turnthe film came to be about those events as well. It will make you question your faith in the world. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. I was just gone. The 10th Anniversary Blu-Ray and DVD are also available from other retailers listed below, and the digital edition is now available for purchase or rent on iTunes, Amazon Prime Video, and Google Play. Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. After Newfoundland woman killed their son and grandson, California They should have been given custody of Zachary to begin with. And we, would have agreed to anything. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). Click HERE for ticket information. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. She was here.' In the end, she died, but love did not. Cpl. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. Asked if he would have done anything different back then, David replies, kill Shirley Turner.. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. It comes down to probable cause, the right to bail and the presumption of innocence. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a son about his father And that was midafternoon. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. On Nov. 5, Kate, who is originally from England, pictures Turner sitting on top of a Guy Fawkes bonfire and her family all around it with fireworks. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? While the police investigation was still underway, Turner, a Canadian citizen, packed off to St. Johns, Newfoundland. The victims choices, preferences, actions, and relationships are either boiled down to a heap of clues and red herrings, or offered as a backdrop in a spirit of dutiful empathy before getting down to the business at hand. The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as they struggled to come to terms first with the 2001 slaying of their 28-year-old son, Dr. Andrew Bagby, and later with the murder of Andrew's son, 13 . hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. At one point, one friend says that if he had one tenth of the people who cared about him half as much as they do about Bagby, he would be happy. December 10, 2007: You know? Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. He was such a good baby. Blu-ray: Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. There was no way to stop Andrews murder, but there was no way to walk away from Zacharys body and just say hmm, okay, move on," said David. One of those forgettable pieces of solipsistic pseudo-art that is essentially just a scrapbook that was released to the public and then everyone just said it was good because no one wanted to hurt anyones feelings. They told us that they'd found the body. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. Add a bio, trivia, and more. Not too long ago? They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. "We had to do something.. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. Its hard to imagine a well-crafted rendition being as powerful.). Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. kate and david bagby still living They began a drawn-out court battle to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. Blood red screen. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. Nearly 2 decades after the murder of a physician and his son a legacy By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. (It was announced, in 2014, that the documentary would be made into a miniseries. And not just because its real. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. Amending Canada's bail code was my goal in releasing "Dear Zachary" publicly; it is my pleasure to announce that goal is now a reality. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). Go away.'. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. Very, very serious. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! And thank God. Bring lots of kleenex and prepare to be equally angry and emotionally drained as you watch real, so-called justice in action. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). IMDbPro Starmeter. Play trailer 2:39. In January, the film was nominated for Best Documentary by both the Chicago Film Critics Association and the Online Film Critics Society, who also nominated writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne for Breakthrough Filmmaker of 2008. David Bagby - IMDb MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. September 28, 2008: Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. You take it with you, but you move on, said David. Dear Zachary - For those who've asked how Kate & David - Facebook I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. March 18, 2008: When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. Dear Zachary was also a hit at Silverdocs, the AFI/Discovery Channel Documentary Film Festival over the weekend of June 21st & 22nd, where both screenings were once again met with standing ovations; Silverdocs nominated Dear Zachary for its inaugural Writers Guild of America Documentary Screenplay Award. She would never go away. MORRISON: In July 2003, a year and eight months after their son's, murder, Andrew's friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, who'd been making the, documentary film for Zachary about the father he'd never know, arrived in. They had to be nice to Turner, to keep her mellow, and not fight with her. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. August 5, 2008: MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. None of his friends liked Turner because she was often inappropriate and even harassed one of Bagbys exes and just generally appeared to be an incredibly unstable, crude, and unlikeable personbasically Bagby's exact opposite. Cpl. MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. sixteen years have passed but for the bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. On Aug. 18, 2003, while awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of murdering Andrew, Turner jumped into the waters of Conception Bay South with her 13-month-old son strapped to her in a murder-suicide. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. If. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. They are simply good people. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. Zachary, how's our baby today? Simpson advised his friend to call the cops and to not under any circumstances meet Shirley Jane Turner alone. Jackson, Kentucky. MORRISON: The sea at midnight was endless black. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. She turns to talking of her son and calls him Gods blessing. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. The committee passed the bill unanimously, which is how it came to be heard in the House for a final vote this week. We're thrilled with MP Andrews' initiative and efforts, and support him 100% as he moves this bill forward. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. The bill is called C-464 - An Act to amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). Bagby, that man about whom no one had a bad word, was left lying face down in a Pennsylvania state park with five bullets in him. Because this is foreshadowing. I'm tired of this.